Intelligence and Ferocity (working names)

[schaferlord]

OK we've been discussing two new stats for the duel characters to have which will enable them to purchase skills, these are unoffical and will be tested.

The two skills are (at the moment called) Intelligence and Ferocity, each race has a different value for this but it is random to show that different individuals vary in inteligence and what not. These stats will further be altered by certain packages.

At the moment the idea is as follows (Inteligence is It and ferocity is Fy)
Human:It:2+d3 Fy:2+d3
Tau: It 4+d3 Fy:d3
Eldar: It 4+d3 Fy:2+d3
Space Marine: It:3+d3 Fy:3+d3
Chaos: It: 2+d3 Fy 4+d3
Harlequin: It:4+d3 Fy:3+d3
Tyranid: It:d3 Fy:5+d3
Ork: It: 1+d3 Fy: 4+d3
Necron: It: 1+d3 Fy:1+d3
Kroot: It:2+d3 Fy 3+d3
(this is illustrative mainly, open to change)

When you work out your score (after packages) you will then start gaining intelligence and ferocity points.

Every time you level up you gain inteligence and ferocity points equal to your stat value, when you have enough points you can buy skills, a human with intelligence 4 for example will gain 12 inteligence points by level 3 and can spend 10 of them on a 10pt skill, and have 2 left over, a creature with it5 could by such a skill at level 2 however.

Just to make it clear, the stat of intelligence or ferocity doesn't go up or down, it is merely an indication of how fast you gather intelligence or ferocity.

[Eziel]

Rather than the random element, we could give them an extra two or three points to spend on either attribute. After all, where's the fun when certain people are going to remake characters until they get the maximum?

[Archon Faraith]

Well then you roll the stats infront of a gm. if you retire your character then get punished.

[schaferlord]

yeah didn't think of that. How about, each race as a base, you then have two non-attributed points which you can add to them (one on each or both on one), and further adjustments can be found in the packages (genestealers and lictors being the most intelligent nids, would get a couple of intelligence points).

Inteligence is It and ferocity is Fy (just an example)
Human:It:3 Fy:3
Tau: It 4 Fy:1
Eldar: It 4 Fy:2
Space Marine: It:4 Fy:4
Chaos: It: 3 Fy 4
Harlequin: It:4 Fy:3
Tyranid: It:0 Fy:5
Ork: It: 1 Fy: 4
Necron: It: 2 Fy:2
Kroot: It:3 Fy 4

[Caanon]

Just from a purely fluff sence why would normal SM be smarter then a CSM... afterall a chaos space marine has been around for 10,000... you don't live that long by being stupid

[schaferlord]

I dunno its mainly me picking random numbers, plus its chaos creature not CSM and I just thought Chaos would be erring towards the ferocious skills rather than intelligence ones, in packages we may correct it for CSM.

[Caanon]

Why not give them the option.... I mean it's no use me having fluff for a crafty assasin who winds up being as smart as stick and more angry then King Kong when some one take shis photo and vice versa

[schaferlord]

thats where quests come in, you quest for a dozen inteligence points you can get a cool inteligence skill without waiting to level up, quest for more (be harder) you can get a couple of inteligence points in hand, plus you could shove your two unatributed points for customisation on to intelligence to make it more intelligent, then if your package has another +1 it you're more intelligent. plus the examples are mainly figurative, and we haven't worked out the skills yet.

[schaferlord]

well, understandably we consider fluff secondary to game mechanics at this stage of development, but like I said, but perhaps didn't bring accross, intelligence and ferocity stats, merely show how many points you accumilate per level, its the skills you select that would truly represent the intelligence and character of the dueling character. And by questing for bonus inteeligence on ferocity points you can buy more skills quicker and shape it more easily than before.

[schaferlord]

fair enough,

if anyone has any ideas for skills shout em out.

[Caanon]

Well some obvoius ones would be stuff like martial arts, computing, weapon building, stealth, explosives, tracking, concealment, languages ect for inteligence.

Strengh and toughness related stuff for ferocity, WBB could be related to it as well... ummm can't really think of much else for this

[Caanon]

An Expansion on what I said


martial arts: could be seperated into multiple things ie:

Evasion defense (e.g. Aikido): could give some bonus to parry and evasion rolls.

Throws, Grapling, submittions: could give some penalty to people trying to back off.

Percusion (e.g. Karate (kicking, punching, striking, blocking)): could give some to hit modifier.

Weapons (e.g. kendo, Aikido): Same as above or maybe some access to special weapons


Computing: if we use Neff's map plan this could tell the character where another is if they use some piece of technology.

Language (map): Character learns the the local lingo and finds out where a another character's general area is.

Tracking (map): character can learn where another character has been.

weapon building: Character can make nasty weapon mods for thier stuff

stealth:Character can take a free shooting round before duel or start in CC

explosives: Character can use explosives

concealment: maybe same or stealth or can start in cover or something

Marksman: maybe some shooting bonus

[Lord Nefarius]

stealth:Character can take a free shooting round before duel or start in CC

or choose to start in closecombat if it's not a shooter...

there're lots of possibilities.
but again we especially need to look at offensive and defencive characteristics of characters. some options just shouldn't be available for e.g. a To5&3+sv char or for a 7At&In10 char.

btw,don't wonder,i keep cleaning this threads from time to time.

[schaferlord]

Nah nef, that doesn't need to happen, it would just be a silly duelist who chooses it when they don't shoot. A nother skill can do that nef, rather than the same one do both.

[Lord Nefarius]

sure,we can split it to
"stealthy"
and
"sneaky"
for example,that won't be the problem.