The Wish-List

If every character had poison blades there would be no point for T5 characters. In addition then basicly all characters would be the same.

Plus nec's have WBB (Shouldn't it be I'll be back as it's one guy)

If it was only the odd character then why are there 3 out of 7 () of the most used char's have T5.

So what if you're striking last... you have T5 a 3+ save (And wbb for beardy necs)

So what if you're hit on a 4+ and only have 3 attacks at S4.... stop complaining... thats better then 4 attacks hitting on 3+ wounding on 6's

There is only one reason I use a T5 character. The survivability is good, that is the only reason. I use the immortal package (and got in a deadlock duel with J8) because I needed a character who didn't die after three duels like my T3 harlie.

I liked my harlie, but after Il killed him because of T3 and bad saves, I went back to the character I used in the last edition of the rules, an Immortal.

3 of 7 most used characters are T5, but look at how many non-T5 chars are actually posted. I think the reason there are so many T5 characters being used a lot is because, the people who duel the most don't want to have to make another character every other night because they were killed.

Although being killed (by the injury table) on the third duel is unlucky, the more you die the more chance you have of rolling the dead 11-16.

Im not saying its unfair just as toughness is the best stat in dueling it should be more expensive to get toughness 5 as t5 3+ save is hard no matter who your dueling.

Assuming characters balance completely (50% chance to win), you have a 1/36 chance to die from each duel. This means that an average span for a character will be eighteen and a half duels (averages allow fractions). To lose a character so quickly is bad luck, losing faith usually leads to regret. I've seen some characters been torn apart but those they gave up on; but when every character becomes the same (flashback to before the wipeout, anyone?) it's reduced a fairly dynamic system to stats racing.
What we are trying to do is make a dynamic system, where tough characters are tough as hell, but can't just walk over everything because of that. There has to be a balance.
Of course witchblades hurt any toughness the same, is that balance? Or that a strength three character is completely wasted against a toughness five, whereas he can stomp on another a toughness three, or even four.
Also the point stands that all bar one of the packages that allow toughness five, come with non-purchase 3+ save. The combination is too tough for most opponents.
To add to this, I can add that my character, Mercury, having a test duel against one Immortal, adds to the point about the resilience. There were bad rolls, granted. But not being able to cause a single wound, in three turns. (Granted, average luck gives 2.1 recurring wounds before saves, over three turns.)

Now then, a simple suggestion would be to introduce tier stat purchases. Therefore, you would be able to gain toughness five, but may be paying more for it. This would affect all characters, not just those have the option of toughness five - bringing in a certain focus of more balanced statlines. It may allow you to purchase a second upgrade, too - at a significantly higher price, but allows Eldar to become Ws6 and higher, and other such flufflike bonuses. Otherwise, the option stands to increase the cost of all toughness upgrades on characters that can reach five. Therefore, we end up with 50 point Necron packages and so on. Also, the Salamander does need to be corrected. As it stands, the cost is rediculous. As is the Chaos resilience cost, of only ten.

Any questions or queries at this point?

Yeah so what are you actualy going to do?

I think I should also add to the point of beadryness necrons (T5, 3+sv and 4+ wbb... yeah that even... if every one had one... plus a S5 gun). In duel against against J8 CE and myself where hurling 14 S4 attacks at him each turn and he failed to take a singel wound. Granted he had some luck with his armour saves, but out of those 14 attacks on about 3 each turn would wound (the duel went of for 15 minutes so that's alot of turns)